Large IPOs often mark tops within sectors and within stock markets as a whole. In June 2007, shortly after the S had begun to hit the fan in the financial stocks, the Blackstone Group (BX) was able to get a multi-billion dollar IPO in. About a year and a half later, BX was down about as much as the Dow Jones fell between its 1929 peak and its mid-1932 nadir–almost 90%. Talk about getting out on the last helicopter leaving Saigon!
Fast forward a few years until the indigestion amongst Western investors allowed them to stomach a “hot” non-Chinese IPO:
Last year, Glencore (a gigantic commodities trading company) announced it was going to float an about $60 billion IPO in London and Hong Kong. It went public in May; the stock promptly went straight down, just as Blackstone had done 4 years earlier. Was it a coincidence that spring 2011 also marked the top for most commodities and almost all commodity stocks?
Then, last year, memories of the crash had finally faded enough that it became time for U.S. investors to become the quacking ducks that, as always, Wall Street had food for. And of course, tech was there as the most palatable food. First there was LinkedIn (LNKD) in May, then Pandora Media (P), which is half off its high; then Groupon and Zynga.
Recently, Facebook decided it was time to liquefy its stock. This is the Big tech IPO for this cycle. This IPO will make the year for many in the financial community. The valuation is bruited to be around $100 B. We are definitely not at a 1999 level of insanity, as all the above companies are “real”. But these stocks are, in general, overvalued-or at least were, at the times of their 2011 IPOs as listed above (it’s too soon to comment on FaceBook). These companies have few tangible assets and have immense competitive challenges to justify their current valuation. I know from an insider at FB that the private market valuation -soon to be the public valuation- has skyrocketed over the past year-and-a-half. But I doubt that there has been all that much surprise in that same time frame in its operating results- after all, Facebook was the clear winner in its space by 2010. So my view is that the price has been marked up for retail distribution. All in a day’s work for the Street.
In the period until the FB IPO is expected this spring, I would be on the watch for market patterns to recur, and here are two examples of how they are currently in fact happening.
First- JPMorgan Chase has now put out a detailed, bullish research report on AAPL. Now. Talk about being late to the party! JPM is not necessarily a player against which to be contrary, especially in the short term. But let us note that there are not a lot of avowed bears on AAPL’s stock valuation in the mainstream investment community. Second, and even worse, a posting yesterday raised in all seriousness the question of whether there would be a shortage of AAPL stock should demand for it spike through the roof in the event the company declared a cash dividend. A shortage of stock? LOL- that reminds me of the alleged shortage of Treasurys in 2000 given the prospect for unending budget surpluses. When the media starts positing a shortage of stocks or bonds…uh-oh… (Note I am long AAPL.)
All may be well, and all manner of things may be well in investment-land despite this discussion. What I am saying is definitely not a timing call, but my point is to remind readers that these major IPOs and runs of hot IPOs in a single sector do not happen in a vacuum. They are not the result of a philanthropic attitude amongst corporate insiders or the financial community. Facebook could raise every penny it needs, and more, from private sources. UPS stayed private for so long as it grew massively that a regular system of stock sales occurred to let long-termers cash out their UPS stock. Facebook does not need to become a public company to get known. If the insiders are planning to generate unanticipated profits on an undreamed of scale, why share them with us? Why accept the costs and scrutiny of being a public company?
In contrast, there’s nothing like investing in a neglected market or “discredited” but essential sector to provide a long-term margin of safety (i.e., think different)- for an individual investor trying to time hot plays. Might that be, for example, U.S. natural gas exploration companies or small strong community banks? Is Wall Street cheerleading either of those sectors right now? The answer is “No”. Thus, there may be good long-term relative value in those sectors- as well as the usual garbage, one should point out.
I think that most individuals should take a Roman view when the FB books are opened to the public.
Caveat emptor: let the buyer beware.
hi Doc. it’s still an individual, micro game. FB did nearly $2B of operating income in 2011 and they haven’t even begun to get serious about monetizing 800M (or whatever the absurd number is) eyeballs. FB wants to be “cool” … wait until they decide making obscene profits is cool. i would never own it, not my style, but this is probably the last stock i’ve ever seen in my life that i would get in front of at any valuation … i think we’d all have better chances with a freight train.
groupon on the other hand is perma-short — never cover it. just a dreadful business model.
my point is that as much as this is a macro-oriented site and i appreciate that, this is why i’m here all the time, i’ve been reading alot about how FB is overvalued, it’s a bubble or a top … i think it’s likely people are going to get hurt badly with that thinking. these guys don’t play like the rest of us, they are obsessed. my guess is that they are going to hammer numbers like it’s their number 1 job the first year or two out of the gate. they have the largest customer base i’ve ever heard of, they will find a way to make make more money than can imagine. not that i know, but after judging their methodical building of a business, and only now coming public, that is my best guess. think google at IPO — seemed crazy, now it’s crazy to have called it crazy back then.
that “anonymous” was me, sorry.
dd: Note I didn’t do a Facebook call specifically; but the main point was one that you as a pro know in your DNA: large IPOs often mark tops in the sector. You know this as a pro. Other readers may benefit from being reminded of this. You’re a pro, so you can look at FB’s financials when they are revealed and make an informed decision- most of our readers don’t have your abilities and so I think they should be especially cautious as they should have been a year ago in commodities.
There is a specifically Austrian underlying point to this. All the easy money the Fed has been created either has to go to “work” in the real economy; when it doesn’t (as is the case now), in the modern way it gets leveraged and pushes up asset prices. Wherever the “story” is best- commodities last year, Internet 2.0 the last 9 months, the inflated sector rushes inventory out the door to the public. At least so say I.
Doc, no doubt all of what you said, i agree. my only point is that i think the press and perma-bears (you fall into neither category) often lump everything together. that was it, your point is well-taken.
Wall Street sells what investors will buy.
There is a lot of scare-mongering going on.
Be wary.
DrX
What about the government debt & Federal Reserve credit ‘IPO’?
Taken a look at issuance in that sector recently? Are we seeing a top?
JR: Great question! The provision of debt-based government deficit spending proceeds unabated. To spend or not to spend? That is unfortunately no question in the minds of TPTB these days.
I suggest that the infinite demand for money is the reason the question is never raised. When demand is infinite, there can never be enough… you simply cannot have enough money.
Just when ‘market participants’ awake to the fact that the quality, so ‘moneyness’, of government & central bank credit is not just suspect but completely rotten, is another question. Facebook one day, junior gold miner penny stock the next!
I again urge everyone to read Doug Noland. His latest article is exceptional but all are worth reading.
And no, I don’t work for prudentbear.com
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